It has been a long time since I have sat down to write. The purpose of this piece of self expression is to document my thought at this point of time and to hopefully get back to this sometime later. I am in the process of gradually changing my driving mechanism. I shall make it a point to move away from my earlier behavior of accepting the status quo to one where I am going to question most things.
This path, I have realized, is particularly not easy. Here is a snippet from a random conversation that took place in one of my whatsapp groups on 06.06.2017.
1. There is a very fundamental line: aham brahmasmi. This can be conceptualized by a huge banyan tree being inside a tiny seed. The tiny seed is us - a microcosm. The entire universe - the macrocosm- is just a manifestation of the microcosm. The corollary is also true. We are a representation of the complete universe.
Chemically speaking.. we (our body) are made of fundamental particles which are also the constituent matter of stars and other celestial bodies. Just that the way the particles are built up is different.
2. The wise sages were of the opinion that our observations and perceptions were a product of our sense organs - basically maya. Remember the story of the 4 blind ppl who were describing the elephant by the part that they could touch? Each of them was correct and yet all of them were wrong.
We are similar to those blind folks. Blinded by the things we have observed and experienced. To comprehend the ultimate reality in its entireity, one must abandon the limited faculties provided by our senses. We need not go searching... we just need to dive inside. One famous sloka tells us the steps: Asathoma sadgamaya.. tamasoma jyotirhamaya... mrityurma amrithamgamaya.
My friend Karthi shared the following blogpost on my FB wall on 03rd Jan 2015
https://vennirvediveesi.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/reason-cause-occams-razor-and-why-investment-bankers-are-better-humans-than-scientists/
My comments were as follows:
This path, I have realized, is particularly not easy. Here is a snippet from a random conversation that took place in one of my whatsapp groups on 06.06.2017.
1. There is a very fundamental line: aham brahmasmi. This can be conceptualized by a huge banyan tree being inside a tiny seed. The tiny seed is us - a microcosm. The entire universe - the macrocosm- is just a manifestation of the microcosm. The corollary is also true. We are a representation of the complete universe.
Chemically speaking.. we (our body) are made of fundamental particles which are also the constituent matter of stars and other celestial bodies. Just that the way the particles are built up is different.
2. The wise sages were of the opinion that our observations and perceptions were a product of our sense organs - basically maya. Remember the story of the 4 blind ppl who were describing the elephant by the part that they could touch? Each of them was correct and yet all of them were wrong.
We are similar to those blind folks. Blinded by the things we have observed and experienced. To comprehend the ultimate reality in its entireity, one must abandon the limited faculties provided by our senses. We need not go searching... we just need to dive inside. One famous sloka tells us the steps: Asathoma sadgamaya.. tamasoma jyotirhamaya... mrityurma amrithamgamaya.
My friend Karthi shared the following blogpost on my FB wall on 03rd Jan 2015
https://vennirvediveesi.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/reason-cause-occams-razor-and-why-investment-bankers-are-better-humans-than-scientists/
My comments were as follows:
Niranjan Sundaresan Resp
1/3: By trashing the fermi paradox here, the belief is that no contact
(by us or by ETs) has been made, which in itself is an assumption. For
the sake of argument, there might have been contact ages before Fermi
even came into existence. (My inspiration
for this line of thought is one of my favorite Tintin books - Flight
714). Even if such a thing has not happened, cutting to the present, and
given the nature of the matter, any one attempting a disclousre of such
an event (of an established contact) is only going to be making life
difficult for their own self.
Niranjan Sundaresan Resp
2/3: I would also like to counter the "machine" analogy by pointing out
that if there existed a definite non-zero probablity, for say, earth
(and along with it, life) to come into existence, then, considering the
infinite (sample) space, the probability of a re-occurence or a pre-occurence cannot be ruled out (especially since the experiment is still running - #expanding
universe). Thus, the absence or presece of a pattern of creation is
neither necessary nor sufficient to rule out earth and life on it as a
singularity.
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Niranjan Sundaresan Resp
3/3: I must, with all modesty, say that we (def not me ;)) have been
making a fairly decent progress in our quest to understand chaos.
Ultimately, there are two approaches to dealing with randomness - 1. Be a
part of it and enjoy the party (which is
what we are doing right now!) 2. Stay away from it (escape the cycle),
figure it out (realization) and have all the fun without the hangover
(which can be summed up as the quest for the ultimate truth).
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Selva Muthukumaran Niranjan Sundaresan So your end objective/response to deal with randomness is#Aaniye Pudunga Vendaam#Respect\m/
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Niranjan Sundaresan Selva Muthukumaran: I definitely don't mind adding to the randomness
:D
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Karthi Vignes Resp
to your response 1/3: hahaha.. interesting.. not only TinTin da.. some
other science fic movies and novels have also spoken about contact
during the early egyptian kingdoms (ex. Predator Vs Aliens) but if it
had really happened, i guess we'd know.. like in the movies.. we get to know..eventually.
Resp to your resp 2/3: how did u arrive at a non-zero probability with an infinite sample space? what i mean is.. earth has happened.. so its got a non-zero probability.. but doesn't the concept of probability fail when we can't approximate the sample space?
Resp to your resp 3/3: I've got no response actually.. that is what even i was trying to tell with the blog
:P
:P .. your 1 being the I-banker and 2 being the scientist.
:)
:)
Enough debate and all.. put one like first!
RemoveResp to your resp 2/3: how did u arrive at a non-zero probability with an infinite sample space? what i mean is.. earth has happened.. so its got a non-zero probability.. but doesn't the concept of probability fail when we can't approximate the sample space?
Resp to your resp 3/3: I've got no response actually.. that is what even i was trying to tell with the blog
Enough debate and all.. put one like first!
Niranjan Sundaresan Resp
1a: My belief is that we have missed it. There are many tales from
folklore that are probably alluding to such a contact (esp the
puranas/itihasas of Hinduism that speak about the sudden appearances of
strange beings.. avatars/rakshasas and the like).
We are talking of a timeline of 3000+ years (spanning across multiple
global catastrophes) and an unimaginable level of distortion in the
message that was being passed down.
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Niranjan Sundaresan Resp
2a: Okay.. I understand the ambiguity. Re-phrasing, consider an
infinite number of experiments with a finite sample space. If the first
such experiment (considering the timeline beginning from t=0 to
t=Tcurrent) threw up a non-zero probability for life, isn't it possible
for one of the subsequent experiments to come up with a similar outcome ?
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Karthi Vignes 3a:
:)
2a: illa da.. You are considering a continuous sample space.. Unless you have a probability function in that case.. You can't perform any integration to come up with a non-zero probability.. The presence of such a function itself will mean that there could be a pattern... Or an order to things.. Actually this comes in the realm of zero-probability events.. For which the sample space considered is itself the set of zero-probability events such as our existence... Adhulam namma padikkala.. PK la aramichi dawkins madhri pesitu irukkom.. Sdd
1a: agreed. That scenario is possible.. Highly doubt it aana..
:/
2a: illa da.. You are considering a continuous sample space.. Unless you have a probability function in that case.. You can't perform any integration to come up with a non-zero probability.. The presence of such a function itself will mean that there could be a pattern... Or an order to things.. Actually this comes in the realm of zero-probability events.. For which the sample space considered is itself the set of zero-probability events such as our existence... Adhulam namma padikkala.. PK la aramichi dawkins madhri pesitu irukkom.. Sdd
1a: agreed. That scenario is possible.. Highly doubt it aana..


